Policy & Operational Implications

Should the distribution of wealth should be addressed in the Policy and Operational Implications? Does concentration of wealth and resources lead to non-sustainable practices? Is the reuse of resources, a goal of the First Principle, made easier when resources are allocated to individuals more equally? Is the distribution of wealth related to joshua's comment on decentalized systems?

distribution

i wish the discussion have a date, so you dont post somthing tht is
is not going to be read.
also i would like to know how many people are reading this, and if
possible to distrubte cards to encourge participation, the cards
they use for advertisments could be made from white paper.

there is some easy at particpation using this soft ware,
this indicates that the simpler forms help advance things-
for example it is easy to register and comment-

distrubution of incom

the world GNP is about 30 trillion - we dont have to know the correct
amount- it is around there-
unless you trible that by inginous means and no reform will help-
you are dommed- no one will be willing to distrubte-
you can write articles for 100 years- no one will do it-
i observed living through Ragan time, and now through Tony Blair-
Gordon Brown still believe in the old economics-
they all do-

this means when the GNP is 90 trillion dollars then things
we be Utopic-
how to do it - knowldge

Dick Fischbeck's picture

total planet wealth for humans

Tim- The 30 trillion dollar world domestic product comes from the technology and applied knowledge already in place. It's like interest; it comes from production capacity.

So...30 trillion represents a small fraction of the actual operational wealth employed on this planet. World wealth is the total of all the value we have at a certain point in time. Don't forget, wealth is not just physical, it is also know-how.

I think distribution of

I think distribution of wealth most definitely needs to be addressed - closed-loop resource usage can never get off the ground as long as corporate profits ride on the business-as-usual scenario. Hidden costs must be paid by big biz, government subsidies must be cut, and local economies must be allowed to flourish. Benefits from and responibilities for economic activities must be shared by those who participate.

Distribution of Wealth

FERAL wants to go the Marxist route, which we already know is doomed to failure. If we trash the corporations, what do we have left? Who determines "hidden costs" and who assigns the "benefits" and on what basis. Is the person who installs your solar panels to get the same "benefit" as the person who designed it? Practical innovation comes from people who can see a profit at the end of the day. And the idea of "local economies" is absurd unless you want to go back to the Neolithic in technological terms.

Dick Thurston

Who said anything about

Who said anything about marxism? Do you think that utility companies should be able to dump their garbage (CO2 NOx SOx) in my back yard (the air) without paying for the consequences?

What is neolithic about not shipping grapes from Chile when they can be grown here?

Dick, the free market isn't free as long as corporations pay governments to exclude participation of individuals.

Distribution of Wealth

Without getting into the argument of how it should be accomplished I think that the ultimate distribution of wealth (in any sytem, or society)is important. It is impotratn for the long term, since concentrated accumulations in fewer and fewer hands would tend to reduce the variety of the sytem as a whole, in the sense (as is manifest in current world economy) that relatively smaller number of players gain increasingly more power to influence events.

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