General Discussion on the Approach as a Whole

The very existence of this forum is an encouraging sign--it means that some very serious people are happy to devote time to the general topic of "sustainable development" and to its rigorous definition. But just as I am encouraged, I am concerned by the effort to define sustainability as a universal concept distinct from particular actions in particular places at particular times. My concern is based neither upon a "localist" view of the world nor ethical relativism, but on the notion that we learn by doing. If we can accept this premise it suggests that we can most effectively work toward a goal with only a loose, and ever-changing, definition of it. In other words, action is more important than parsing language. This is, of course, a very big topic to handle in a few lines. With my British colleague, Simon Guy, this logic has been more thoroughly articulated in: Simon Guy and Steven A. Moore. Sustainable Architectures: Natures and Cultures in Europe and North America. London and New York: Routledge, 2005.

"action is more important than parsing language"

Steven,

You stated "action is more important than parsing language". Others in the dialogue have commented along similar lines. To me this may boil down to an issue of asset allocation with time perhaps, the asset of greatest value. There is a time to think and a time to act. How much time should be invested in thinking prior to action is a key question. I look at this dialogue and its focus on words as a much needed opportunity to try and determine what should be guiding our actions.

I am concerned about the well intended jump to action not being guided by a rigorous set of principles and implementation disciplines. Such unguided action seems too hit or miss at a time when our aim has to be much more on target if humanity is going thread the eye of the sustainability needle.

Evidence is mounting that without sound principles and a systems approach to guide us we are prone to make matters worse in the long run instead of solving complex problems. Regarding the challenge of sustainability we could easily wind up taking the business as usual approach with a different and nicer color – in this case green.

The sustainability movement’s effort with regard to definitions and principles of sustainability at the systems and operational levels is rather nascent, not more than 20 years old or soby my estimation. Our recognition that we are facing any issues of sustainability at the global level is only a few decades longer. And we know that back then the recognition was appreciated by only a precious few.

The science of sustainability is just starting to accelerate while the sustainability meme is beginning to catch on. This means that there must be some sort of shared understanding emerging despite all the differing interpretations. This is a good thing.

However, the quality of the actions and investments that flow from this cultural and scientific meme is critical. If we can get an operationally effective definition approximately correct along with a comprehensive set of guiding principles (test and refine as need be through guided action); if we can also define a rigorous process of systemic problem analysis and implementation then perhaps we might actually get closer to solving our problems at the correct and needed level of complexity.

I am assuming that when humans are confronted with complex systems what seems obvious is not always obvious; evolutionary stable strategies can be counter intuitive; what feels good to do may not be good to do in the long run.

There is no substitute for trial and error ( aka action). But could we tip the scales in favor of success by rigorously articulating what should be guiding our actions? And if so how much time should we invest doing so?

To Steven and Joshua

To I think that Joshua's argument for the need for a relaibale conceptual framework to guide action is articulated beautifully and clearly. Precisely the reason why I thought it worth while to attempt a of principle ad expose them to a broad discussion.

We live in an action oriented culture but impatient premature action can often lead to unintended destructive results. Icarus and Dedalus crushed, exactly because they lacked the appropriate understanding of principles underlying flights. They went for the aparent and most obvious, constructing bird'e wings without understanding the "hidden" principles behind the aparent form.

No one would dream to attempt a lunar, or other space landing, without first having a reliable theory of soace travel.

Regarding the issue of "local" focus, If the principles offered here are at all valid and comprehensive enough, they should be interpretable with repect to specific local conditions, particular sector of the economy, or any other "practical" domain

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----rigorously articulating what should be guiding our actions-----

Hi Michael

Joshua and you have both just expressed the view that we are here in this discussion mostly to discover what principle are the best action guides if we want to have a well functioning SSEarth. At least, that's what I'm hearing.

It is very dificult to find generalized principles. There aren't very many of them. I think Bucky employed a few principles(besides the obvious mathematical principles) throughout his work.

A few them stand out in my mind- work for the most people for the largest benifit, don't try to change people-change the environment instead, and make obsolete harmful practices by inventing new ones to replace the old ones. Are these the kind of principles you have in mind? Maybe I'm way off the mark, I don't know. Are you and Bucky on parallel tracks?

It just seems to me Bucky is about the most comprehensive source for finding principles to guide ones actions as a crew member of this ship. I see many connections between your sustainability definition and principles and his.

Dick, I like very much your

Dick,

I like very much your suggestion to regard "principles" as concept that are essential as guide to action. Action guiding statement would then range from "inviolatables" (such as the laws of gravity) to "wishables" (things we would like to encourage --justice, gender equality, and so forth).

Bucky's general "principles," I think, express concepts that are applicable universally and without exception. I tried to tend to this sort of important condition in attempting to capture what would seem to be the minimum conditiond necessary to secure sustainability as a state.

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